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May 28, 2007

This Week’s Finds in Mathematical Physics (Week 252)

Posted by John Baez

In week252 hear about the possibility of oceans on Neptune billions of years from now:

Learn the latest about hot Neptunes in other solar systems. See the electromagnetic snake at the center of the Galaxy. And, continue reading the Tale of Groupoidification! In this episode, with a nod to the work of Georg Frobenius and William Burnside, we begin to tackle the theme of "Hecke operators".

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Re: This Week’s Finds in Mathematical Physics (Week 252)

In 3 billion years the Andromeda Galaxy will collide with our galaxy. Many solar systems will be destroyed.

How many?

The distances between stars are quite large compared to the size of solar systems. On the other hand, there are many stars, and the number of collisions probably goes as the number of stars squared.

Can we estimate the number of collisions? What is the probability the solar system will be involved in such an event? Is our position within the galaxy lucky or unlucky in this respect?

Posted by: Squark on May 28, 2007 6:59 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Squark wants to know:

How many?

I don’t know! Christine Dantas has studied galactic gravitational dynamics; she might have a better guess, or know someone who does. A key question is how much gravitational perturbation it takes to break a solar system.

I imagine research on this topic will become more fashionable when Andromeda gets closer.

For now, you can look at some pictures of colliding galaxies. In the Antennae Galaxies, huge numbers of bright blue-white young star systems are being formed by the collision of gas and dust clouds:

However, I’ve read that the end result of a collision is an elliptical galaxy where few new star systems form. The end of new life? I wish I knew more.

You can also watch a movie of the collision between the Milky Way and Andromeda! Simulated, of course.

You’ll note that the galaxies go through each other a couple times before merging… it’s not as if they shoot through each other only once. Surely this increases the chance of solar system disruptions.

Posted by: John Baez on May 28, 2007 7:38 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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As far as I can tell, the amount of ejected material, tidal debris, etc, will depend on the collision scenario (orbital energy of the galaxies) as well as on their mass distribution (baryonic and non-baryonic) and possibly on other finer details such as the amount of diffuse mass of the Local Group (these latter are important for taking into account dynamical friction effects).

I have never simulated such a detailed collision between the Milky Way and Andromeda, but Cox and Loeb did.

(My previous work with N-body simulations focused on merging elliptical-like objects in the context of the origin of the “fundamental plane” relation, and were intended as to study the overall features of the mergers, not their detailed interactions. If memory serves, however, I could have about ~ 15% of mass ejections in some cases, or even more, depending on the “violence” of the merger, that is, how strongly the gravitational potential would fluctuate during the collision).

Christine

Posted by: Christine Dantas on May 30, 2007 12:36 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

planetary and galactic; Re: This Week’s Finds in Mathematical Physics (Week 252)

Excellent “Week’s Find” – about which I am not now commenting on the lovely Math exposition, but rather on the planetary atmospheres [I was a house-mate of Andy Ingersoll] and futures point.

(1) “… UK researchers from University College London, along with colleagues from Boston University, have found that the hotter than expected temperature of Saturn’s upper atmosphere – and that of the other giant planets – is not due to the same mechanism that heats the atmosphere around the Earth’s Northern Lights. Reporting in Nature (25th January [2007]) the researchers’ findings thus rule out a long held theory.

A simple calculation to give the expected temperature of a planet’s upper atmosphere balances the amount of sunlight absorbed by the energy lost to the lower atmosphere. But the calculated values don’t tally with the actual observations of the Gas Giants: they are consistently much hotter…. We need to re-examine our basic assumptions about planetary atmospheres…”

(2) The first published suggestion thast a Jovian planet could have its mass mostly ablated away by supernova, leaving a metal-rich pseudo-terrestrial planet was by Science Fiction author Poul Anderson (who’d originally wanted to be an astrophysicist). When such a planet was found orbiting a pulsar, and he was footnoted, it was one of the happiest days of his life. I spoke with him several times about that.

(3) Colliding galaxies: trickier subject than it seems, due to non-classical issues of dark matter, magnetic fields, and cold hydrogen. Colliding galaxies, as seen from civilizations embedded therein, was also first discussed in Science Fiction. Surely a reader here can identify the source [exercise for the reader]…

Posted by: Jonathan Vos Post on May 28, 2007 8:56 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Regarding the issue of linear vs. permutation representations in this week’s TWF, I’ve always felt a bit of wonder about the power of linear representations in the study of finite groups. It doesn’t surprise me that permutation representations are useful. After all, finite groups are group objects in the category of finite sets. But of the millions of other categories in the night sky, why is the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces the one whose objects it is so useful to make finite groups act on?

There are probably lots of other examples of theorem X about groups of type Y being proved by looking at actions on objects in a category Z, but I just don’t know them. Do other people know? It would be fun to make a little table of it all.

Posted by: James on May 29, 2007 9:02 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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But of the millions of other categories in the night sky, why is the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces the one whose objects it is so useful to make finite groups act on?

I expect that if there is a good answer to this question, then it is related to the fact that representations of groups on vector spaces are a degenerate case of equivariant vector bundles.

Posted by: urs on May 29, 2007 11:47 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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But of the millions of other categories in the night sky, why is the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces the one whose objects it is so useful to make finite groups act on?

Thanks! And this is close to one of my naive questions: “why everything is abelian?”. I mean that the large part of mathematics is built on the notion of abelian (additive) group: rings, fields, bodies, modules, vector spaces, etc. I think this is unnatural without some mathematical explanation… But I don’t know how to formulate my question correctly. So, your question is better then my.

Posted by: osman on May 29, 2007 12:38 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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“Thanks! And this is close to one of my naive questions: “why everything is abelian?”. I mean that the large part of mathematics is built on the notion of abelian (additive) group: rings, fields, bodies, modules, vector spaces, etc.”


I think the answer is: for historical reasons only.


There are mathematical fields (like analysis in metric spaces, see the work of Gromov) where the natural notion replacing a vector space is a simply connected Lie group whose Lie algebra admits a positive graduation (aka Carnot group). A particular example is the Heisenberg group.
See http://xxx.arxiv.org/abs/0705.1440
for a definition of linearity in this context.


200 years ago there was a single geometry:
euclidean. Is it risky to say that in 100
years from now we shall have non-euclidean analysis, which is not based on abelian groups?


Posted by: marius on May 30, 2007 8:16 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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There are mathematical fields (like analysis in metric spaces, see the work of Gromov) where the natural notion replacing a vector space is a simply connected Lie group whose Lie algebra admits a positive graduation (aka Carnot group). A particular example is the Heisenberg group.

Since I’m not mathematician and, consequently, I don’t know some explanational theorems, I see the “ghost of abelianity” in all above words. For example, “Lie group” is associated for me with “smooth manifolds” wich require abelianity (and, moreover, differentiation!)… Same for metric spaces…

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 10:08 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Not sure if this is relevant for these questions, but the concept “differentiation” and everything derived from it – like Lie algebras of Lie groups – is by definition about approximating things by the abelian groups n (“linear approximation”).

But there is no lack of attempts to generalize geometry which is locally modeled on n to geometry locally modeled on more non-abelian things.

It’s just that geometry modeled on n is already immensely rich. It will take a while (millenia? :-) until all the non-commutative or non-whatnot generalizations of everything here have been put to paper.

Posted by: urs on May 30, 2007 10:44 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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It’s just that geometry modeled on n is already immensely rich. It will take a while (millenia? :-) until all the non-commutative or non-whatnot generalizations of everything here have been put to paper.

I don’t need such generalizations. I just want (categorified, if you like) answer on my question ‘why’? Why additive-group-geometry is so rich? Is it just a chance? Why you (I mean cafe) try to categorify everything using additive categories? How unconscious you attempts are? For example, groups are exactly groups of authomorphisms of something general (say, universal algebras). Abelian groups are exactly - … what? Please don’t say ‘abelian automorphisms’ :)

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 11:03 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Osman wrote this:

And this is close to one of my naive questions: “why everything is abelian?”. I mean that the large part of mathematics is built on the notion of abelian (additive) group: rings, fields, bodies, modules, vector spaces, etc. I think this is unnatural without some mathematical explanation…

and also this:

I just want (categorified, if you like) answer on my question ‘why’? Why additive-group-geometry is so rich? Is it just a chance?

I think these are interesting questions, well worth pondering. In fact, these are the types of questions that drew me to category theory in the first place.

I don’t think there is one simple answer. But I think category theory can shed some light on some partial explanations.

Let’s agree with virtually all mathematicians that the notion of ‘collection’, in particular of finite collections, is basic to mathematics. Now already there is some ‘commutativity’ lurking within that simple notion: for example, in drawing a two-element subset, the order in which you draw the elements out is irrelevant. To put it in more sophisticated terms: given two elements of a collection, there is a symmetry of the collection which interchanges the two elements [despite the fact that the symmetry group is non-abelian].

This simple observation is at the root of some other observed commutativities. Let A and B denote sets. The operation of taking disjoint union (A,B)A+B is again ‘commutative’ in the sense that there is a canonical isomorphism

A+BB+A.

It wasn’t until the 20th century, when Eilenberg and Mac Lane introduced categories, that we had a fully satisfying explanation of this and various other ‘canonical commutativity isomorphisms’ in terms of ‘universal properties’. Nowadays we may say that the direct sum A+B is characterized by the fact that a function A+BC is uniquely determined by two functions: an function f:AC and a function g:BC. The ‘commutativity’ of disjoint sum then derives from the fact that we can interchange f and g: the above-noted ‘commutativity’ lurking within the very notion of collection itself.

A similar observation shows that the cartesian product A×B is also ‘commutative’ (up to canonical isomorphism): a function CA×B is uniquely determined by a set consisting of two functions f:CA and g:CB, and again the commutativity arises from an act of interchanging f and g.

The commutativity of addition and multiplication of natural numbers is then a decategorification of the ‘commutativity’ of the operations of disjoint sum and cartesian product as applied to finite collections. From there we derive commutativity of addition and multiplication on integers, rational numbers, and so on. The same type of thing shows up in much more sophisticated mathematics too, for example when we consider natural ‘commutative’ operations on vector bundles (e.g. Whitney sum), and their decategorified expressions in terms of K-theory.

Another source of commutativity is in various ‘interchange laws’. There is for example a famous lemma of Eckmann-Hilton which shows that the higher homotopy groups of spaces are abelian. [In some sense, this lemma is rooted in ancient or childhood experience: if you have some marbles spread out on the ground, you can interchange the positions of two of them by rolling them around without having them bump into each other.] The relationship between interchange and commutativity allows for the fact that two homomorphisms of abelian groups f,g:AB can be added to form another homomorphism f+g:AB, and this has some very nice structural consequences for the world of abelian groups: in addition to direct products, it has internal homs and tensors and lots of interactions between these operations. The world of abelian groups is thus incredibly rich, but at the same time much more tractable, and therefore much more completely analyzed and developed, than the world of groups generally [as is clear when you consider the theory of finite abelian groups as versus the theory of finite groups].

These are just some very partial explanations. I think I can understand what you mean when you say that abelian-ness is unnatural from certain points of view (as we have learned from quantum mechanics for instance, but also just from contemplating the very simplest symmetry groups and categories generally). But from other points of view, abelian-ness is of course highly natural and expected.

Posted by: Todd Trimble on May 30, 2007 3:55 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Thank you. I pointed below in this thread that decategorification of coproduct (and disjoint union as particular case) is one of possible directions. I also know some theorems from algebraic topology (like fundamental group of topological group is abelian). In fact, I found many partial explanations. :) But it is not enough for me, and I don’t understand why. I’m sorry to spend your time and attention.

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 4:20 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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That’s all right. Excuse me if I over-explained some things already well known to you.

Buried within my post was a remark whose hidden point is that the category of abelian groups is a closed category (unlike the category of groups). This means that the category of abelian groups (or the category of vector spaces) serves as the base or foundation for a theory of categories whose homs carry such structure, so-called “categories enriched in abelian groups”. Similarly, a linear category is a category whose homs are enriched in vector spaces.

So, what I was hinting is that the category of abelian groups or of vector spaces serves as a foundation for a theory of enriched categories parallel to and even richer than ordinary category theory, due to marvelous hom-tensor structures on those categories not shared by the category of groups generally. This in part accounts for the ‘unreasonable effectiveness’ of abelian groups in the study of group representations and many other things.

Posted by: Todd Trimble on May 30, 2007 5:06 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Can you give me an example of such interesting category (linear for example), but where the definition of objects does not depend on abelian property?

And could you please give me some weblinks to articles related to closed categories with interrelation to linearity (or abelianity)? Thank you!

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 6:08 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Buried within my post was a remark whose hidden point is that the category of abelian groups is a closed category

[…]

This in part accounts for the ‘unreasonable effectiveness’ of abelian groups in the study of group representations and many other things.

Can this be turned around to a sensible statement along the lines that every closed category is a category of “abelian objects” in some meaningful sense?

Posted by: urs on May 30, 2007 6:38 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Yes, there is a theorem by Fred Linton, in “Autonomous equational categories”, J. Math. Mech. 15, 637-642, a version of which you can find in Section 3.10 of Borceux’s Handbook of categorical algebra, vol. 2.

Let’s note T for an algebraic theory. We call T commutative if each operation commutes with each other operation. This is equivalent to the fact that each n-ary operation of the theory induces a morphism of algebras A nA for each T-algebra A. Then T is commutative if and only if for each T-algebras A,B, the set T-Alg(A,B) of morphisms of algebras is a subalgebra of B UA (where U is the forgetful functor to Set). This makes T-Alg a closed category.

There is a generalization of this for monads : Anders Kock (Closed categories generated by commutative monads, J. Austral. Math. Soc. 12 (1971) 405-424) defined commutative monads and showed that a commutative monad is exactly a monad in the 2-category of symmetrical monoidal categories. There is a 2-categorical version : “Pseudo-commutative monads and pseudo-closed 2-categories”, Martin Hyland and John Power, JPAA 175 (2002), 141-185.

Posted by: Mathieu Dupont on May 30, 2007 9:16 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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I asked, following Todd Trimble’s interesting remark that abelianness is related to closedness hence to the possibility to enrich over:

Can this be turned around to a sensible statement along the lines that every closed category is a category of “abelian objects” in some meaningful sense?

Mathieu Dupont said:

Yes

Now that’s interesting! Thanks for sharing this.

Posted by: urs on May 30, 2007 9:29 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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But I understood the importance of your question and Mathieu’s answer just now. Anyway it’s good, thank you. :)

Posted by: osman on May 6, 2008 4:29 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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And recently I found one more interesting direction: mathematical notion of causality. Let’s say, following this article, that non-autonomous system is presheaf over total order (like order of ) and autonomous system is presheaf over archimedean group (like itself). But any archimedean totally ordered group is abelian. So if we start from non-autonomous system and try to describe the notion of causality and autonomity, then we possible can obtain naturally archimedean totally ordered group and, consequently, abelianity. So, we will have the sequence:

mathematical causality over non-autonomous system -> autonomous system -> archimedean totally ordered group -> abelian group

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 4:47 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Todd wrote:

I think I can understand what you mean when you say that abelian-ness is unnatural from certain points of view (as we have learned from quantum mechanics for instance, but also just from contemplating the very simplest symmetry groups and categories generally). But from other points of view, abelian-ness is of course highly natural and expected.

When I first glanced at this, I momentarily thought you said “abelian-ness is natural from certain points of view, as we have learned from quantum mechanics for instance,…” And this would be correct too.

After all, one big lesson of quantum mechanics is the superposition principle. This says that, mysteriously, the space of states of a physical system is not a mere set, but a vector space: an object in an abelian category!

So, while quantum mechanics is famously noncommutative, it’s also famously abelian!

This abelian-ness has been on my mind a lot lately — since as you know, the Tale of Groupoidification will seek to explain the seeming appearance of vector spaces and linear operators in quantum physics as really just a decategorified shadow of what’s really going on: groupoids and spans of groupoids!

Posted by: John Baez on May 31, 2007 9:49 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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John Baez wrote:

the Tale of Groupoidification will seek to explain the seeming appearance of vector spaces and linear operators in quantum physics as really just a decategorified shadow of what’s really going on: groupoids and spans of groupoids!

Are you going to categorify all constituents of abelian-group-ness together? I mean not just categorify abelian monoid, but additive group? Or this is somehow unimportant here?

Posted by: osman on June 1, 2007 6:30 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Osman wrote:

Are you going to categorify all constituents of abelian-group-ness together? I mean not just categorify abelian monoid, but additive group? Or this is somehow unimportant here?

It’s a lot less important than one might think. For example, a huge amount of group representation theory can be described in a different way where we never mention numbers, vector spaces, linear operators, etcetera. Instead of vector spaces, we use groupoids. Instead of linear operators, we use spans of groupoids.

The basic idea is sketched in week247. Jeffrey Morton used this idea to redescribe the quantum harmonic oscillator and Feynman diagrams here. I’ll explain more details in future episodes! It’s a long but fun story.

Posted by: John Baez on June 1, 2007 5:19 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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John Baez wrote:

Instead of vector spaces, we use groupoids. Instead of linear operators, we use spans of groupoids.

“What a nice surprise”…

Excuse me for one more naive and maybe premature question, but it’s very intriguing: is it possible to use groupoids instead of vector spaces in case of differential geometry?

Posted by: osman on June 1, 2007 7:39 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Osman writes:

is it possible to use groupoids instead of vector spaces in case of differential geometry?

Don’t know! Haven’t even tried!

Posted by: John Baez on June 1, 2007 11:37 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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but the concept “differentiation” and everything derived from it - like Lie algebras of Lie groups - is by definition about approximating things by the abelian groups n (“linear approximation”).

And what about Differential Geometry over General Base Fields and Rings?

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 11:11 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

A linearity fallacy?

And what about Differential Geometry over General Base Fields and Rings?

Right. As I tried to say, one can generalize ordinary differential geometry in many ways.

In fact, the very first sentence of the document you link to reads:

Classical, real finite-dimensional differential geometry and Lie theory can be
generalized in several directions.

All I was trying to say is that if X is a rich theory that took a long while to develop and investigate, then any generalizations of X will tend to be much richer still, and take correspondingly much more time to investigate.

In particular when applications are scarce: certainly the great popularity of n is not unrelated to the physical fact that real vector spaces are a very good model for the very geometry we perceive in the world.

This vector space model is certainly just a first approximation of real geometry, of course. A while ago it was noticed that we may have to allow for Riemannian spaces, too, if we want to model reality. And indeed, differential geometry is a huge subject nowadays.

Now, people are expecting that all kinds of weird non-commutative or non-whatnot geometry will become relevant if and when our microscopes become much better than they currently are.

I am sure that once this is actually confirmed, and many people will need to work with “non-abelian” geometry in their everyday life, much more activity still will take place in this subject.

So what I want to say is simply this: you are right that eventually it makes good sense to look into “non-abelian” generalizations of everything in sight. Just like it would make sense to generalize everything ever done to the world of -categories. But it can’t happen overnight.

Maybe you would enjoy what somebody I recently met had to say about the repeated linearity fallacy of mankind.

P.S. On an administrative note: I fixed the hyperlink to the document you gave. You had given it without the http:// prefix. That makes the blog software interpret the link as relative to the domain golem.ph.utexas.edu, instead of as intended.

Posted by: urs on May 30, 2007 11:44 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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In particular when applications are scarce: certainly the great popularity of n is not unrelated to the physical fact that real vector spaces are a very good model for the very geometry we perceive in the world.

As I told already physical reasons are not so interesting for me. Moreover, thanks to several contemporary notions, I hope that the peculiar role of abelian groups can be explained mathematically. 1. Coproducts - decategorification can give us abelian semigroups. 2. Combinatorial species - decategorification of analytic functors gives us analytic functions and derivatives. 3. There are attempts to categorify rational numbers - but I don’t know how high-quality does it have.

Maybe I forget something.

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 12:47 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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This will probably be my last reply to this issue.

As I told already physical reasons are not so interesting for me.

But they may be for other people. And not just physicists. I believe there is strong evidence that the development of subjects in pure mathematics over the centuries has been greatly influenced by relations to the physical world. Be it because of applications, or be it because of the inner workings of human minds.

You asked

Why you (I mean cafe) try to categorify everything using additive categories?

and I gave what I think is part of the answer (in as far as it is really true that “we” try to categorify everything using additive categories).

Posted by: urs on May 30, 2007 1:26 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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(in as far as it is really true that we try to categorify everything using additive categories)

Surely it was an exaggeration. Anyway thanks a lot for your answers.

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 1:35 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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And I don’t think that notions of linearity and abelianity are so stronly interrelated. I’d say that general linear operator is morphism in some category of topological universal algebras with idempotents (for example topological groups).

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 1:10 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Maybe you would enjoy what somebody I recently met had to say about the repeated linearity fallacy of mankind.

This text is too difficult for me now. And I don’t know what is “linear category”. Since I learn mathematics using Web and nothing else, could somebody give me good online article about linear categories?

Posted by: osman on May 30, 2007 4:03 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Exactly, all comes from differentiation. There is a huge world living from this (in particular all differential geometry and big parts of functional analysis).

Meanwhile by using other way of differentiating (see explanation below) some mathematicians obtained impressive results (like Pierre Pansu differential for Carnot groups in order to prove Mostow rigidity).

This post is far too short in order to explain this beautiful subject. The ideea is that in the definition of the differential enter a passage to the limit
in some expressions involving dilatations (aka contractions, or homotheties, pick your word). For each point in the space
and each positive coefficient you have such a dilatation. Just change this field
of dilatations and you get a new notion of
differentiation.

What about commutativity? The space itself (it has to be a metric space for first) rescales with respect to the one parameter group of dilatations centerd around one fixed point (precisely you look through the microscope given by dilatations to smaller and smaller balls) and in the limit it becomes a kind of tangent space (in a metric sense) at the point.

Is this tangent space a vector space? In general not! In some cases is a (non commutative) contraction group.

There are results in group theory showing that in some cases such contraction groups have to be Carnot groups (like the Heisenberg group), in other cases they can be p-adic nilpotent groups, products of these, etc .

So this apparent innocuous change of dilatations really leads to some spectacular changes.

Posted by: marius on May 30, 2007 12:06 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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See http://xxx.arxiv.org/abs/0705.1440 for a definition of linearity in this context.

Nice article, thank you! I have the idea of obtaining “vector spaces” from abstract path-spaces through construction of “non-numeric length space”. I think, it’s pretty close to your ideas, but maybe it’s my mistake since I’m not professional. Briefly, I suggest the following steps:

  1. Since abstract path-space (APS) is small free category over some graph, we can obtain a notion of homomorphism of APS - this is simply a functor.
  2. Then we should introduce some equivalence relation between paths, as a copy of intuitive relation “these paths have the same length”. Of course we should not use the notion of length itself, quite the contrary, equivalence classes of our relation form the “semigroup of lengths” through concatenation of paths.
  3. Now we have the “measured abstract path-space” or better “abstract path-space with lengths”. And we have the new groups of automorphisms of our space, as automorphisms introduced in step 1 and simultaneously automorphisms of our equivalence relation introduced in the step 2.
  4. Since our equivalence classes will be totally ordered with the minimal element (as length of one-point-path), we have the “length space” (wich is particular case of metric space), and we have the notion of automorphism of this space, and then (maybe) we can introduce the notion of movement group, dilatations and finally “vector spaces”. Everything “whithout numbers”.

But I have not enough mathematical education to finish this properly. Anyway, your article gives me some hope. So my question is following: is it possible to propagate your theory to lengths-spaces with lengths in arbitrary archimedean group?

Posted by: osman on May 31, 2007 9:56 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Thanks. I am not quite sure why, but your description of APS recalled me a puzzling characterization of a line segment and of a curve in terms of IFS (iterated function systems), from the basic paper by John Hutchinson “Fractals and self-similarity” (see Remark 3.4, page 14, “in response to a query of B. Mandelbrot concerning characterisations of the line”, and Section 3.5, page 15, “Parametrised curves”).

Is there a categorification of these remark and section?

Posted by: marius on May 31, 2007 12:43 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Urs wrote:

It’s just that geometry modeled on n is already immensely rich.

I think I would be (possibly) satisfied in the case when category of abelian-group-ness-geometries would be characterized in some independent terms. But in what terms? - I still don’t know…

Posted by: osman on June 4, 2007 2:38 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: This Week’s Finds in Mathematical Physics (Week 252)

Osman said, “why everything is abelian?”

Some people have argued that any upper bounds on the amount of non-abelianness around us should be pretty weak. But let me try to actually give some upper bounds.

The basic idea is that objects which are non-abelian often fail to admit higher operations. For example, abelian groups can admit ring structures, but a bilinear map on a general group factors through its abelianization.

Bergman and Hausknecht’s book “Cogroups and co-rings in categories of associative rings” is a pretty extensive reference for things like this. Part of it is based on the work of Tall–Wraith Let me try to say a few words about what they do, as far as I understand it.

In what sense is a (possibly non-commutative) ring naturally the kind of object that knows how to act on an abelian group? The answer is that is represents a comonad on abelian groups. More precisely, we say an endofunctor on the category of abelian groups is representable if its composition with the forgetful functor to sets is representable. If R is an abelian group, then the functor Hom(R,) naturally takes values in the category of abelian groups, and a ring structure on R is the same thing as a comonad structure on the functor.

The interesting thing is that Bergman and Hausknecht show that it’s hard to do similar things in non-abelian situations. For example, there is a theorem of Kan that says that the category of representable endofunctors on the category of groups is equivalent to the category of pointed sets. It follows that the category of representable comonads on the category of groups is the same thing as a monoid in the category of pointed sets, which is the same thing as a monoid. In other words, the only thing that naturally knows how to act on groups is just a monoid. Whereas in the category of abelian groups, we went up to the next level and got rings.

A similar thing happens at the next level. What are the representable comonads on the category of rings? What about the category of commutative rings? Here things are a little more interesting, because there are objects that know how to act on rings, but not by ring endomorphisms! For instance, a Lie algebra knows how to act on a commutative ring. Such a thing is just a homomorphism from the given Lie algebra to the Lie algebra of derivations of the ring. In fact, more generally, any cocommutative bialgebra knows how to act on a commutative ring. In the case of Lie algebras, you get the commutative ring representing the functor by taking the symmetric algebra of the enveloping algebra. In the case of a group, you take the symmetric algebra of its group algebra.

The great thing is that in the case of commutative rings, there are even more examples, ones that don’t come from bialgebras. For example, in positive characteristic, the Frobenius map knows how to act on a commutative ring. There is a representable comonad T on the category of commutative Z/pZ-algebras such that an action of T on R is nothing more than saying that the Frobenius map on R is bijective. We could make another comonad that requires that the Frobenius map be the identity. Even more interesting, over Z, we could ask for lifts of the Frobenius map from characteristic p to characteristic 0 .

But all these wonderful things can’t happen with noncommutative rings. Of course there is no non-commutative Frobenius map, at least in the straightforward sense. In fact, Bergman and Hausknecht prove that, at least when F is Q or Z/pZ, the only representable comonads on the category of F-algebras are ones coming from bialgebras combined with ones coming from anti-endomorphisms, ie maps from an algebra to its opposite. (Admittedly, they don’t address the situation over Z, which is much more important.)

Now that I’ve said all that, they also give some evidence that goes against this point of view. For example, even though the only representable comonads on the category of groups come from boring monoids, there are actually representable comonads on the category of monoids that don’t come from monoids. For example, it’s possible to endow a monoid M with a “right-inverse” operator. This is an anti-endomorphism r:MM satisfying the identity mr(m)=1 and such that r composed with itself is the identity. You can then use this structure to make other representable comonads. In fact, they give a complete description of all the representable comonads, and they have a similar flavor involving left and right inverse operators. It would be pretty interesting to study the next level of this hierarchy.

Posted by: James on June 4, 2007 12:27 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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This is a difficult stuff for me, but I think I catched the main idea on.

Anyway it sounds for me as andecdotic story about boy who lost his coins at night time, and looked for them under street lamp, because there was the light. (Oh, my English!!!) On the other hand I’m sure that abelian-group-ness is not an anecdot.

And your examples show the great direction of thinking about abelian-group-ness, thank you.

Posted by: osman on June 4, 2007 2:20 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Point taken about the keys under the streetlight, but three things:

1. The set up of what I wrote works very generally, probably in any category equipped with a monadic functor to Sets. I put the part about rings acting on abelian groups in the beginning just to start off with an example. I don’t think it makes representable comonads any less non-abelian.

2. You can make the streetlight comment about almost anything. After all everything I know about mathematics I learned in an abelian-centric mathematical culture. So you have to give me something to grab onto, otherwise what’s the point of the question!

3. My comments were rather vague, I know. I was putting off making them for a while, but then I realized that if I waited till I could write something good, it would never get done. I’m only hoping there are no actual mistakes.

Posted by: James on June 4, 2007 2:44 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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James wrote:

You can make the streetlight comment about almost anything.

And moreover, I do not understand myself when I do such comment, unfortunately. Maybe I would be satisfied in the case when category of objects (say, geometries) that we usually study using abelian groups, would be characterized with some independent terms…

Anyway facts given in your comment has it’s internal beauty!

Posted by: osman on June 4, 2007 2:58 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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This is a composite reply to some questions raised by Osman and Urs.

Osman asks:

Can you give me an example of such interesting category (linear for example), but where the definition of objects does not depend on abelian property?

How about the category of sets with relations as morphisms? This can be regarded as enriched in the category of (idempotent) commutative monoids: any two relations R, S from a set X to a set Y can be “added” by taking the union RS.

In some sense, examples like this are within the theme of the Tale of Groupoidification: spans between sets or between groupoids can be added too, and by decategorification they lead to some classically interesting linear operators [like Hecke operators], as John will probably be telling us in future editions of This Week’s Finds.

An abstract class of examples of categories which makes no explicit reference to linearity but where maps can be added is the class of categories with biproducts. A category has biproducts if:

  • It has a ‘zero’ object: an object which is both initial and terminal.
  • For any two objects A, B, there is an object C which is simultaneously a product and coproduct of A and B. To be on the safe side: if i A, i B are the coproduct injections into C and p A, p B are the product projections out of C, then p Ai A=id A p Bi B=id B whereas both p Ai B and p Bi A factor through the zero object.

Then it is a fact that categories with biproducts are essentially the same as Comm-enriched categories with products, where Comm is the closed category of commutative monoids. In effect, morphisms between biproducts can be handled pretty much as matrices. (Cf. Robin Houston’s comment under ‘Preprints’ here that products in compact closed categories are biproducts.)

And could you please give me some weblinks to articles related to closed categories with interrelation to linearity (or abelianity)?

The definitive reference for enriched category theory is the late Max Kelly’s book. Off-hand I don’t know online references which specifically develop the linear case, but maybe someone else does or I can find out.

Urs wrote:

Can this be turned around to a sensible statement along the lines that every closed category is a category of “abelian objects” in some meaningful sense?

I was about to answer somewhat unimaginatively, “not that I can think of” [for example, I don’t know how to think of a cartesian closed category in this way]. But then it seemed to me that a somewhat more satisfying answer could be given.

Let V be a symmetric monoidal closed category. If V has arbitrary coproducts, then the underlying-set functor

U=hom(I,):VSet

has a left adjoint

F=I:SetV

which takes a set S to an S-fold coproduct of copies of I (I being the monoidal unit). Furthermore, the adjunction takes place within the 2-category of symmetric monoidal categories, symmetric monoidal functors, and monoidal transformations.

Thus we have a symmetric monoidal monad M=UF acting on the monoidal category Set. Now, if V is equivalent to the Eilenberg-Moore object of M in this 2-category, then it seems to me there is a very reasonable sense in which V consists of ‘abelian objects’.

More precisely, a (symmetric) monoidal monad on Set is a “commutative theory” in the sense that the operations of the theory are also homomorphisms of the theory. This was shown in work by Anders Kock in the early 70’s. (Oh, I see that Mathieu Dupont has already answered you complete with references – thanks Mathieu!)

Posted by: Todd Trimble on May 30, 2007 10:59 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Your post is full of facts very interesting for me. And moreover, the last one, where monads in monoidal categories give us commutative theories, is also very handsome. But I’d like to be more precise now.

Commutativity of monoid can give us such interesing theory as combinatorial species that is pretty close to calculus. I’d say this is categorified calculus in non-negative numbers. But mathematics is occupied not by simply commutative monoids, but by abelian groups, and this is what we call usually “geometry”.

So we should obtain naturality of all constituents together: it must be commutative and it must be group. Saying figuratively, I seems like “calculating square root” of theory of combinatorial species.

But I’d like to say again that your answers are more then helpful, thank you.

Posted by: osman on May 31, 2007 12:04 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Categorifying negative numbers is actually tricky. John Baez talked about negative sets here, and gave a number of good references.

Another thing that people have tried is to use superalgebra; for example, instead of considering linear combinatorial species F 0 (i.e., species valued in vector spaces), consider “virtual” species valued in 2 -graded vector spaces. A virtual species is given by a pair of linear species

(F 0 ,F 1 )

which is to be thought of as a formal difference F 0 F 1 (hence, at the decategorified level, this involves passage to a Grothendieck group). In good cases, a virtual species may also come equipped with differential graded structure, and one may consider the derived category of DG-species as another method for dealing with categorified negatives.

But none of these methods is perfect.

Posted by: Todd Trimble on May 31, 2007 7:05 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Todd Trimble wrote:

A virtual species is given by a pair of linear species

Yes, I know that (from the book “Combinatorial species and tree-like structures”) and I would like to have experts opinion regarding this attempt of rational combinatorics (i.e. categorification of rational numbers).

But none of these methods is perfect.

What I exactly feel: all of them are unnatural, artificial, handmade… So I think there must by quite another approuch, similar to the Anders Kock’s result that you and Mathieu Dupont described here.

Posted by: osman on May 31, 2007 7:37 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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But until this new approuch is not developed, I’m going to think in my directions, like abstract path-spaces and mathematical notion of causality. Both of them are attempts of abstract non-numerical analysis of physical thinking.

Posted by: osman on May 31, 2007 8:07 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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James wrote:

But of the millions of other categories in the night sky, why is the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces the one whose objects it is so useful to make finite groups act on?

There are lots of answers to this. But, I began describing a quite radical answer in week252, based on groupoidification.

While I still need to explain the details, and give lots of examples, I described the basic idea right after the imaginary conversation where Burnside was advocating actions of groups on sets, while Frobenius was pushing group representations:

The point is this. Suppose we have two G-sets, say X and Y. Any G-set map from X to Y gives an intertwining operator from [X] to [Y]. But, even after taking linear combinations of these, there are typically plenty of intertwining operators that don’t arise this way. It’s these extra intertwining operators that let us chop representations into smaller pieces — the irreducible representations.

But where do these extra intertwining operators come from? They come from invariant relations between X and Y!

And, what are these extra intertwining operators called? In some famous special cases, like in study of modular forms, they’re called “Hecke operators”. In some other famous special cases, like in the study of symmetric groups, they form algebras called “Hecke algebras”.

A lot of people don’t even know that Hecke operators and Hecke algebras are two faces of the same idea: getting intertwining operators from invariant relations. But, we’ll see this is true, once we look at some examples.

I think I’ll save those for future episodes. But if you’ve followed the Tale so far, you can probably stand a few extra hints of where we’re going. Recall from “week250” that invariant relations between G-sets are just spans of groupoids equipped with some extra stuff. So, invariant relations between G-sets are just a warmup for the more general, and simpler, theory of spans of groupoids. I said back in “week248” that spans of groupoids give linear operators. What I’m trying to say now is that these linear operators are a massive generalization — but also a simplification - of what people call “Hecke operators”.

In other words: when we think we’re studying the category with:

  • representations of a group G on vector spaces as objects
  • intertwining operators as morphisms

we often might as well be studying the category of:

  • actions of G on sets
  • G-invariant relations between sets

or even better, the 2-category of:

  • groupoids over G
  • spans of groupoids over G
  • maps between spans of groupoids over G

The point is that this 2-category gives a ‘purely combinatorial’ substitute for the theory of representations of G on vector spaces!

To make this clear, I’ll need to work through a bunch of examples, starting with the permutation groups S n.

Posted by: John Baez on June 1, 2007 5:09 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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In other words, when we think we’re studying [Rep(G)] we often might as well be studying […] the 2-category [Span G(Grpd)].

The point is that this 2-category gives a ‘purely combinatorial’ substitute for the theory of representations of G on vector spaces!

I am beginning to appreciate this amazingly cool fact. You are really saying: all these vector spaces we see around us – like in quantum mechanics – are an illusion. We don’t have to categorify things to get to spans of groupoids, etc, but these vector spaces themselves already should be thought as representing objects in a 2-category.

That sounds like it should lead to the answer of the puzzle I was fighting with a while ago:

namely on closer inspection, like when one tries to formulate everything arrow-theoretically, it appears as if already in ordinary quantum mechanics everything is in an annoying way “shifted in degree”: the codomains of our functors are 1-categories, where if they were instead 2-categories, everything would fall into place much more naturally.

I am suspecting that all this isn’t unrelated to that INN-phenomenon. It must be.

Posted by: urs on June 1, 2007 6:02 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Should we then expect that distinctions applying to ordinary representations will find their equivalents in your groupoid setting? E.g., positive energy representations.

Posted by: David Corfield on June 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Expressing the concept of “positive energy representation” in the language of groupoids sounds tricky, since it’s rather closely wedded to the complex numbers. For example, there’s no obvious notion of a positive-energy real representation of a Lie group.

To see this, consider the primordial example: the real line! A strongly continuous unitary (complex) representation U of has a skew-adjoint generator

A=ddtU(t) t=0

which then has

U(t)=exp(tA).

The spectrum of A lies on the imaginary line, so it makes no sense to say it’s positive.

Using the magic of i, we can then define a self-adjoint generator

H=iA

which has

U(t)=exp(itH)

Since the spectrum of H lies on the real axis, it makes sense to declare H positive when its spectrum lies in [0 ,+). We then say U is a positive-energy representation.

Note how the ghost of Galois hovers over the proceedings, snickering quietly. If we’d picked i instead of i as our square root of 1 , what used to be a ‘positive-energy representation’ would now be declared ‘negative-energy’, and vice versa!

If we were working over the real numbers, we wouldn’t have positive-energy representations.

See how everything changes:

A strongly continuous orthogonal (real) representation U of has a skew-adjoint generator

A=ddtU(t) t=0

which then has

U(t)=exp(tA).

The spectrum of A lies on the imaginary line, so it makes no sense to say it’s positive. In fact, if any number a lies in the spectrum, so must its complex conjugate a¯!

So far, groupoidification seems to work most easily for the most ‘field-independent’ aspects of linear algebra. The concept of positive energy is very special to the complex numbers. So, if we want to groupoidify the theory of positive-energy representations, we have our work cut out for us.

So far, Jim Todd and I are much closer to groupoidifying the whole theory of unitary representations of finite-dimensional compact simple Lie groups — or equivalently, finite-dimensional holomomorphic representations of complex simple Lie groups. The concept of ‘positive energy representation’ doesn’t apply here.

In short: there’s a lot of work to do, and I’ve got to tell you about it before you can see where the frontier is… but ‘positive energy representations’ are a bit beyond the frontier, right now.

By the way, I mentioned this business about skew-adjoint versus self-adjoint generators in my discussion of real, complex and quaternionic quantum mechanics in week251:

Another special way in which is better than or is that only for a complex Hilbert space is there a correspondence between continuous 1-parameter groups of unitary operators and self-adjoint operators. We always get a skew-adjoint operator, but only in the complex case can we convert this into a self-adjoint operator by dividing by i.

In the case of there aren’t enough square roots of -1. In the case of the quaternions, , there turn out to be ‘too many’ — and the problem is, they don’t commute. So, if A is linear, H=iA is not!

Posted by: John Baez on June 3, 2007 2:19 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

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Urs wrote:

You are really saying: all these vector spaces we see around us — like in quantum mechanics — are an illusion.

That’s the dream!

The big question is: precisely how much of this dream can become a reality? In the Tale of Groupoidification, I plan to say a lot about this. A lot of stuff works amazingly well. A lot of stuff doesn’t work yet.

You know the following, but I feel like repeating it to the rest of the world:

Jeffrey Morton showed how to develop a lot of Feynman diagram theory for perturbed harmonic oscillators purely combinatorially, using spans of groupoids (in this case called ‘stuff operators’) as a replacement for operators. But, to get the whole theory to work, we need something to describe the concept of ‘phase’, which is so important in quantum mechanics. Jeff got the job done by replacing sets by U(1 )-sets: sets whose elements are labelled by phases. This may not be the ultimate solution. But, it shows how the dream can get a bit tricky to imp