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July 24, 2025

2-Rig Conjectures Proved?

Posted by John Baez

Kevin Coulembier has come out with a paper claiming to prove some conjectures that Todd Trimble, Joe Moeller and I made in 2-Rig extensions and the splitting principle:

The conjectures concern 2-rigs over a field k of characteristic zero. Here they are:

Conjecture 8.6. Rep(M(n,k))\mathsf{Rep}(\text{M}(n,k)) is the free 2-rig on an object of bosonic subdimension n.

Conjecture 8.7. Rep(GL(n,k))\mathsf{Rep}(\text{GL}(n,k)) is the free 2-rig on an object of bosonic dimension n.

Conjecture 8.8. If an object has bosonic dimension n, then it also has bosonic subdimension n. If an object has fermionic dimension n, then it also has fermionic subdimension n.

However, Coulembier says he needed to fix our definition of ‘bosonic dimension’ to prove some of these conjectures. We had said

• a 2-rig over a field k is a Cauchy complete k-linear symmetric monoidal category

and an object x in a 2-rig

  • is a line object if there’s an object y with xyIx \otimes y \cong I.

  • is a bosonic line object if it is a line object and the symmetry xxxx x \otimes x \to x \otimes x is the identity morphism.

  • is a fermionic line object if it is a line object and the symmetry xxxxx \otimes x \to x \otimes x is minus the identity morphism.

  • has bosonic dimension n if its nth exterior power is a bosonic line object.

  • has fermionic dimension n if its nth symmetric power is a fermionic line object.

  • has bosonic subdimension n if its (n+1)st exterior power vanishes.

  • has fermionic subdimension n if its (n+1)st symmetric power vanishes.

However, Coulembier noted that with these definitions, we get some very strange objects of bosonic dimension n. Namely, any fermionic line object has bosonic dimension n for every even natural number n. The reason is that its second tensor power, and thus all its even tensor powers, are bosonic line objects. However, a fermionic line object does not have bosonic subdimension n for any natural number n, since its exterior powers are the same as its tensor powers, and none of these vanish.

So, Coulembier rules out this case: he defines an object to have bosonic dimenion n if its (n+1)st exterior power vanishes and it is not a fermionic line object.

If one does this, one should similarly change the definition of an object with ‘fermionic dimension n’ to rule out bosonic line objects.

It’s great to see some interest in 2-rig theory! Anyone who wants more conjectures to tackle can try the big conjecture in the introduction to our paper, or Conjectures 34–37 in Tannaka reconstruction and the monoid of matrices.

By the way, Todd and I have already proved Conjecture 8.6 in that paper. But we used very different techniques than Coulembier’s, so it’s interesting to see his new proof.

Posted at July 24, 2025 2:58 PM UTC

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Re: 2-Rig Conjectures Proved?

It’s curious to me to see something freely generated by something defined (partially) by a negative condition (an object has bosonic dimension nn if it is not a fermionic line object and …). It’s like asking for a group that’s freely generated by two elements that don’t commute, or by one element whose order is not 17.

In general I wouldn’t expect such things to exist. In my two examples such a group does exist, but only because the group freely generated by objects without the negative condition happens to also satisfy the negative condition: in the free group on two elements the generators don’t commute, and in the free group on one element the generator doesn’t have order 17. So I wonder whether the free 2-rig on an object of bosonic dimension nn also has a stronger universal property whose condition has no negative aspect?

The fact that Coulembier needed to add the negative condition suggests that you can’t just omit it from the definition (and go back to your original one). But maybe there is a different definition than your original one that also generalizes his version and doesn’t include a negation?

Posted by: Mike Shulman on July 25, 2025 7:50 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: 2-Rig Conjectures Proved?

This is a great point. Unfortunately I have not yet carefully examined Coulembier’s paper, but now I have a great motivation to do so. It’s always more fun to read a paper when you have something particular to look for.

Coulombier’s additional negative condition in the definition of ‘bosonic dimension nn’ actually impinges on two results:

Conjecture 8.7. Rep(GL(n,k))\mathsf{Rep}(\text{GL}(n,k)) is the free 2-rig on an object of bosonic dimension nn.

Conjecture 8.8. An object of bosonic dimension nn has bosonic subdimension nn.

A negative condition in the definition of ‘bosonic dimension nn’ is not clearly bad in Conjecture 8.8, and the conjecture is false if our original definition of ‘bosonic dimension nn’ is not supplemented with some extra condition.

But you’re talking about Conjecture 8.7. I’ll focus on that at first.

Posted by: John Baez on July 25, 2025 8:42 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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