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October 24, 2009

Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Posted by Urs Schreiber

Following a suggestion by some publishing company, there is the idea of creating a book that collects contributions from various authors on the topic Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory .

We have an idea for a proposed “Call for Papers”. But we would like to get some comments on this, from people who have experience with such issues.

Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory – Call for Comments on Call for Papers

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Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

I think it’s a bit dodgy to put the terms “structural foundations” and “string theory” that close together. This stuff is beautiful, but it isn’t a structural foundation for string theory.

Posted by: A.J. on October 25, 2009 12:12 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

This stuff is beautiful, but it isn’t a structural foundation for string theory.

I see what you mean, but I would say that it is actually – for the “worldvolume aspect” (as specified in the “call for papers”): for everything short of the perturbation series.

It is all too often forgotten that in string theory people talk about worldvolume CFTs and TFTs as if these were understood. Only topological TFTs and rational 2d CFTs were recently fully understood using the mathematical methods in question here. So in as far as CFT is part of the structural foundation of String theory, this stuff here is.

And much of the perturbation series is encoded in the effective background theory. Work on understanding that better is what the “call”-text is trying to indicate in its last bit. There has been progress in structural understanding there, too.

Finally it should be kept in mind that the “landscape” is really a moduli space of CFTs. Everybody in physics talks about it, nobody has the faintest idea of what it actually is, without using the structural insights that we are talking about here.

So the mathematics we are talking about here is in fact pivotal for a huge chunk of what people consider as being string theory. It is not sufficient for the full theory, yet, I agree, but certainly necessary.

For these reasons I felt the title was indeed justified. But also in light of John’s comment below I will try to think of something else. You’d have the same complaint about “mathematical founations”, I assume?

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 25, 2009 10:51 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Yeah, “mathematical foundations” also runs afoul of my grumpiness. :) I don’t suppose it matters that much, as it’s not likely that someone will pick up the book thinking there’s a definition of string theory inside.

My complaint, if you will, is that the worldvolume aspect of strings is just quantum field theory. That we must approach strings in this fashion seems to me to be a failure on our part, not a deep fact about string theory.

Posted by: A.J. on October 26, 2009 2:17 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Thanks, AJ, for your grumpiness. That’s helpful.

You write:

[…] it’s not likely that someone will pick up the book thinking there’s a definition of string theory inside.

My complaint, if you will, is that the worldvolume aspect of strings is just quantum field theory. That we must approach strings in this fashion seems to me to be a failure on our part, not a deep fact about string theory.

In reaction to this I have now done two things: I once more renamed the whole thing, now into Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory. Then I added the following paragraph topwards the end of the supposed preface

Even in the light of all these develoments, the reader accustomed to the prevailing phyiscs literature may still complain that none of this progress in quantum field theory on cobordisms of all genera yields a definition of what string theory really is. And of course this is true if by “string theory” one understands its non-perturbative definition. But this supposed non-perturbative definition of string theory is little more than a dream of a dream for the time being. Marvelling – with a certain pride about their daringness – at how ill-understood this is has made the community forget that something much more mundane, the perturbation series over CFT correlators that defines perturbative string theory , has been ill defined all along: only the machinery of full CFT in terms of cobordism representations gives a precise meaning to what exactly it is that the string pertubation series is a series over. Maybe it causes feelings of disappointment to be thrown back from the realm of speculations about non-perturbative string theory to just the perturbation series. But at least this time one lands on solid ground. Which is the only ground that serves as a good jump-off point.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 9:33 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Finally it should be kept in mind that the “landscape” is really a moduli space of CFTs.

No it’s not.

None of the backgrounds (F-theory with fluxes, Type-IIA/B orientifolds with fluxes, M-theory on G 2 manifolds with flux, …) commonly discussed in the context of the ‘landscape’ correspond to worldsheet CFTs. Indeed, in many cases (e.g. F-theory, M-theory, …), they don’t even correspond to weakly-coupled string backgrounds.

Indeed, that’s part of the point. One of the moduli you want to fix is the dilaton (whose expectation-value is the string coupling) …

Posted by: Jacques Distler on October 26, 2009 3:44 AM | Permalink | PGP Sig | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Finally it should be kept in mind that the “landscape” is really a moduli space of CFTs.

No it’s not.

It’s even bigger and less understood than that, but it contains at least the space of all weakly coupled string backgrounds coming from worldsheet CFTs. At least if we speak of the landscape as such and not as commonly discussed. It seems to me that the “as commonly discussed” perspective has lots of unjustified prejudices about which corners are worthy of attention.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 9:42 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

It seems to me that the “as commonly discussed” perspective has lots of unjustified prejudices about which corners are worthy of attention.

Everyone understand that the corners, which are commonly discussed, are not necessarily representative of the whole. The reason they are focussed on is that those are the corners where moduli stabilization is understood.

but it contains at least the space of all weakly coupled string backgrounds coming from worldsheet CFTs.

No it doesn’t.

Those backgrounds always contain at least one unfixed modulus – the dilaton.

Moreover, a worldsheet CFT is typically only a string background at the classical level. With enough spacetime supersymmetry, it remains a string background quantum mechanically. But those backgrounds, with extended spacetime supersymmetry, are typically not what people have in mind when they talk about the landscape.

  1. People, generally, have in mind backgrounds with 𝒩=1 or 𝒩=0 spacetime supersymmetry.
  2. The backgrounds which arise as worldsheet (S)CFTs with extended spacetime supersymmetry typically have lots of unfixed moduli (in addition to the dilaton). Again when people talk about the landscape, they are generally talking about backgrounds where the moduli are stabilized.
Posted by: Jacques Distler on October 26, 2009 5:49 PM | Permalink | PGP Sig | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Just to be clear, it is perfectly respectable to study the space of classical solutions to string theory (i.e., 2d (S)CFTs). Only a madman would insist on jumping straight to an attempt to understand the full-blown quantum theory, without first thoroughly understanding the classical theory.

But the space of classical solutions to string theory is not what people typically mean when they speak of the ‘landscape’.

Blurring, or eliding, the difference will only add confusion to a topic which already the subject of enough confusion among many in your potential audience.

Posted by: Jacques Distler on October 26, 2009 7:08 PM | Permalink | PGP Sig | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Thanks, Jacques.

I see that “M-theory backgrounds” aka classical 11d supergravity solutions will in general fail to correspond to worlsheet CFTs, but why shouldn’t it be true that a classical solution to a typeII/heterotic supergravity theory defines, to the given α-order, a worldsheet CFT whose sum of correlators over genera computes something close to the perturbative S-matrix computed about these classical solutions?

I have a quarrel with saying “background” for something that is not what a perturbation series perturbs about, but maybe that’s my problem.

I wish though there were a reference that would spell out these issues clearly enough that even a dense guy like me would see more clearly. Maybe we can eventually create one at nLab: landscape of string theory vacua.

Because, for instance I am looking at

Mariana Grana, Flux compactifications in string theory: a comprehensive review

and see, for instance on page 4, statements like

[…] we still lack an understanding of whether any of the large amount of perturbative vacua (the dense “discretuum” or “landscape”) is in any sense preferred over the rest

So “perturbative vacuum” here is not perturbative vacuum?

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 7:15 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

but why shouldn’t it be true that a classical solution to a typeII/heterotic supergravity theory defines, to the given α′-order, a worldsheet CFT whose sum of correlators over genera computes something close to the perturbative S-matrix computed about these classical solutions?

With enough unbroken spacetime supersymmetry, the moduli space of vacua that you see, classically, is unaffected by quantum corrections, and is the moduli space of vacua of the quantum theory.

In that case, what you say is exactly true.

With slightly less unbroken supersymmetry, the moduli space of vacua that you see, classically, will not be lifted, quantum-mechanically. But its geometry, and even its topology, can change.

Still, there is at least a limit where what you say holds approximately (up to corrections that are small, at weak string coupling).

With 𝒩=1 or 𝒩=0 supersymmetry, the classical moduli space bears little, if any, resemblance to the moduli space of the quantum theory. And that’s true, even at weak string coupling.

In fact, for 𝒩=0, there’s generically a 1-loop contribution to the vacuum energy (and hence a graviton/dilaton tadpole). So the classical background isn’t a solution at the 1-loop level.

Posted by: Jacques Distler on October 26, 2009 8:04 PM | Permalink | PGP Sig | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

With enough unbroken spacetime supersymmetry, the moduli space of vacua that you see, classically, is unaffected by quantum corrections, and is the moduli space of vacua of the quantum theory.

[…]

Okay, I get it now. Thanks.

Do you have some suggested good reference for me so that I can work on closing this gap in my education in more detail?

Actually, you should write a book on string theory one day. The stuff you taught on your blog and in other web discussion are by far the best kinds of accounts on the given issues. One day I should collect them on the nLab. Actually, you should write a book together with Dan Freed! That would be guaranteed to be a lasting classic for a true structural understanding of the theory.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 8:28 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Is this book project somehow a spinoff of the book The Structural Foundations of Quantum Gravity? That book was put together by three philosophers of physics who advocate ‘structural realism’. I felt fine about putting a paper in there because I don’t have a big quarrel with structural realism, and my paper was in some loose sense advocating some sort of structuralism.

I think without an editor who has a strong vision of what ‘structural foundations’ are, it would be unfortunate to include this phrase in the title of a collection of papers. Quite possibly you have such a vision, Urs! But it would be a bit sad to adopt this title merely because ‘some publishing company’ thought that another book with this phrase in the title would sell. If you’re going to be in charge of this book, you should pick a title that exactly fits your vision. Don’t let publishers push you around: you’ll do most of the work, and they’ll make most of the money.

Posted by: John Baez on October 25, 2009 8:15 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Thanks for the comment. No, I wasn’t even aware of this book and nobody pushed me to choose that phrase. It was just an idea of a phrase I had. But possibly I should try to think of something different. Any suggestions?

I liked “structural foundations” better than “mathematical foundations”, but maybe that latter term is better suited after all?

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 25, 2009 10:35 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Structural Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Most of my objections to the term ‘structural foundations’ vanish if you chose it, and you explain what you mean by it in the preface.

However, there may be some people who think your book is a ‘sequel’ to The Structural Foundations of Quantum Gravity. And that could be distracting.

Posted by: John Baez on October 25, 2009 5:07 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Most of my objections to the term ‘structural foundations’ vanish if you chose it, and you explain what you mean by it in the preface.

However, there may be some people who think your book is a ‘sequel’ to The Structural Foundations of Quantum Gravity. And that could be distracting.

Okay, thanks for the input.

Inspired by this, I worked a bit more on the proposal:

first of all I did rename the thing into “Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory” for the moment. I like “structural foundations” better on absolute grounds, but I do see that “mathematical foundations” may communicate the idea better.

Then I tried to improve the list of topics a bit.

Mainly, your comment made me start think about what a preface for such a book might look like. So I wrote something, just a first run, here:

Preface.

I should emphasize that I am not alone on this undertaking and haven’t checked what I wrote there with anyone yet, that I am just doodling around and have no idea what of this will survive in the long run. But it should serve to help me think about what all this might be about, and help you to see what I have in mind.

The preface may also be seen as a more in-depth reply to AJ’s comment above.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 25, 2009 8:55 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Ok, busy reading the Preface. Hmm…,

The history of theoretical fundamental physics is the story of a search process for the suitably mathematical notions and structural concepts that naturally model the phyical structures in question. It may be worthwhile to recall some examples:

* the identification of differential cohomology as the underlying structure of gauge theory.

Isn’t that a bit “disingenuous”, to steal a much-used epithet nowadays? The way you write, it seems as if it is a done-and-dusted-commonly-accepted-fact-by-now that differential cohomology is the mathematical notion which models gauge theory. But my impression was that differential cohomology is still quite a new idea to many physicists and mathematicians, even though it may be old hat to you :-) Correct me if I’m wrong!

Posted by: BH Bartlett on October 25, 2009 9:35 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Ok, busy reading the Preface.

Thanks!!

Isn’t that a bit “disingenuous” […]?

Not sure if it is. But certainly I want to avoid that any reader thinks it could be. So thanks for flagging this. I have now slightly modified that bit in the text. Could you have another look and see if it is better now?

it seems as if it is a done-and-dusted-commonly-accepted-fact-by-now that differential cohomology is the mathematical notion which models gauge theory.

We are still waiting for it to become dusted, that’s right. But otherwise it’s true. ;-)

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 25, 2009 9:48 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

By the way, please be critical but charitable on me with this preface. I wrote this in a bit of a haste, while I really need to work on these two referee reports waiting for my attention…

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 25, 2009 9:51 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

I think it’s a fascinating preface, Urs. I’m hoping you take this book as an excuse to write a very long article or series of articles expanding on your vision of quantum field theory.

And I hope you get someone to write a long introduction to the cobordism hypothesis — preferably someone whose last name begins with ‘L’. And I hope you get someone to write a long introduction to the classification of rational conformal field theories, and also the Fuchs–Runkel–Schweigert work (preferably not one of those guys, because they have already written many such introductions, and it would be nice to see one written by somebody with a bit more distance from the subject). And I hope you get Stolz and Teichner to write a long review of their work.

But most of all I hope you write a bunch of stuff, and I hope you work very hard to minimize the prerequisites, so lots of people can understand it.

Posted by: John Baez on October 26, 2009 8:23 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

I think it’s a fascinating preface, Urs.

Thanks for the feedback. I was wondering how it came across.

As you indicate, the main aim of this exercise is to manage to sketch a project that looks worthwhile enough for those supposed to contribute to it to actually do. As you also indicate, while there is non-vanishing flexibility in who that might be, clearly the intended authors here won’t be random guys from the street.

And I hope you get someone to write a long introduction to the cobordism hypothesis — preferably someone whose last name begins with ‘L’

You mean you are hoping it won’t begin with ‘B’?

Hm, maybe the effect of this discussion here will just be as a timely warning to all likely candidates to start thinking up good excuses not to have time to contribute…

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 10:07 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

Urs wrote:

You mean you are hoping it won’t begin with ‘B’?

No — I just think a contribution from someone whose name begins with ‘L’ could be a wonderful thing. Of course he’s a busy guy, but maybe you could get some smart person to take the existing videos of his lectures and use them to improve the existing lecture notes, and then have Professor L polish them a bit and give them his blessing. I don’t know if this makes sense — it’s just a wild idea.

As for people whose name begins with ‘B’, Julie Bergner is giving a seminar on the cobordism hypothesis here at UCR, people are already taking notes, and she will eventually explain at least one definition of (,n)-category. And it seems that a good explanation of that topic is becoming a much-sought-after thing.

There’s also someone else whose name begins with ‘B’ at UCR, who is very tired of writing expository papers, but could vaguely imagine enjoying writing a paper with you explaining the current state of higher gauge theory. Again, just a wild idea.

One thing I don’t quite see is whether you’re mainly seeking original research papers, or expository papers, or both.

I’m sure you have your own ideas about all these things… I just thought some random external perturbations could help trigger some new thoughts.

Posted by: John Baez on October 26, 2009 3:35 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

I just think a contribution from someone whose name begins with ‘L’ could be a wonderful thing.

Right, indeed. Secretly I have an extended topic list for this project where to each topic I have a list of concrete authors with concrete requests what I would like them to contribute. I was thinking that clearly I should keep that wish-list for myself. But then, maybe it would be a sneaky move to make such a Wanted list public. Or maybe not.

Julie Bergner is giving a seminar on the cobordism hypothesis here at UCR

Right, good point. I put here name on my list. Hadn’t thought of her yet as the cobordism person, to be frank, but that’s a good idea.

One thing I don’t quite see is whether you’re mainly seeking original research papers, or expository papers, or both.

I think I am looking for whatever paints the most coherent total picture of the recent development. Most of the things necessary for that have been published, so I would be thinking of expository reviews for these. But in some cases I know that the good material that fits into the story is still being written up. In these cases I would enjoy it if the corresponding author took the opportunity to prepare the material for the book.

So I guess the answer is: both.

But, you know, I can dream here all day, I eventually need to check back with my co-editors-to-be and with the company that would make the book and get a reality check.

There’s also someone else whose name begins with ‘B’ at UCR, who is very tired of writing expository papers, but could vaguely imagine enjoying writing a paper with you explaining the current state of higher gauge theory. Again, just a wild idea.

Right, so I am in the middle (hopefully really in the middle) of compiling the material for the next thing that I am supposed to publish. Which is the stuff being built up at

differential cohomology - contents

and at

-Lie theory - contents

I am still working on this, but one day in the not too far future I will open a LateX file and start pouring this material into that to finalize it.

I’d be happy to collaborate on all and any aspect of that, be it in terms of writing better expositions and outlines, be it in terms of cranking out further theorems or be it in terms of describing examples and applications better and in more detail.

Partly this is just a matter of me finding the time to do it, partly I need to think more.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 4:35 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and String Theory

The real non local structure behind QFT is NOT a gauge theory … just ask any twistor theorist.

Posted by: Kea on October 25, 2009 11:18 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

I see that David Corfield kindly edited the entry by fixing some things here and there.

Thanks, David! Very much appreciated.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 10:09 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

No problem. Perhaps it’s a little early for proof reading. Later it might be the moment for stylistic suggestions. While I’m here though, one ‘suggested’ should be removed from

Early on it was suggested, based on the topological examples, suggested…

Posted by: David Corfield on October 26, 2009 10:24 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Later it might be the moment for stylistic suggestions.

I would much appreciate it. Thanks.

While I’m here though, one ‘suggested’ should be removed from

Early on it was suggested, based on the topological examples, suggested…

Right, thanks. Incidentally I happen to just come from re-reading the thing myeself and have fixed that one in the process.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 10:38 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Interesting! I’d like the historical section to expand to tell us more about what can be achieved by finding the mathematical structure underpinning of a piece of physics, e.g., you could explain what was accomplished by “the identification of symplectic geometry as the underlying structure of classical Hamiltonian mechanics”.

Perhaps we could see how mathematical underpinning of one theory helps with construction of a later theory.

Posted by: David Corfield on October 26, 2009 10:18 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

you could explain what was accomplished by “the identification of symplectic geometry as the underlying structure of classical Hamiltonian mechanics”.

Okay, I now wrote some more about this at

Symplectic geometry and classical Hamiltonian mechanics

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 11:13 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Perhaps we could see how mathematical underpinning of one theory helps with construction of a later theory.

I have two examples.

1. Hamilton’s equations in coordinates Hamilton’s equation as dH=ω(Ξ H,), where Ξ H denotes the Hamiltonian vector field of H leads to

n vortices on the sphere as finite dimensional limit of 2D Euler equations: the phase space of the system of n vortices is not a cotangent bundle but (S 2) n, a qualitative change of point of view of what Hamilton’s equations can describe.

2. Jacobi’s elimination of nodes Witten’s “Two dimensional gauge theories revisited.”

Here is a telegraphic version of the story: Conservation lawas arising from symmetries have been formalized as moment maps by Kirillov, Kostant and Souriau in late 1960s. Elimination of nodes procedure has been made rigorous by Marsden and Weinstein and, independently, by Meyer, as symplectic reduction (symplectic quotient construction). In the early 1980s Mumford observed that symplectic quotients are closely related to Geometric Invariant Theory quotients and that many moduli spaces important in algebraic geometry and in mathematical physics can be realized as symplectic quotients. Atiyah and Bott used this point of view in “The moment map and equivariant cohomology” to construct cohomology classes of moduli spaces of flat connections on Riemann surfaces. In “Two dimensional gauge theories revisited” Witten conjectured a method for computing the intersection pairings of cohomology classes of symplectic quotients. The work of Atiyah and Bott and Witten’s conjecture stimulated a large research effort to understand the topology of symplectic quotients in terms of the equivariant cohomology of the original spaces. Witten’s conjecture was proved by Jeffrey and Kirwan several years later.

Posted by: Eugene Lerman on October 27, 2009 4:01 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

I have two examples.

I copy-and-pasted the first one into Hamiltonian mechanics

Here is a telegraphic version of the story:

and that into symplectic geometry.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 27, 2009 4:31 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

There are many variations of symplectic reduction, though M and W seems perhaps the most popular
There is also Sniyaticki-Weinstein
whihc I find more compatible with the cohomological version of BFV. By the way,
the latter does not require an equivariant moment map nor even a strict Lie algebra in sight, jsut first class constraints.

Posted by: jim stasheff on October 27, 2009 8:09 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Hello Urs,

sounds very exciting and worthwhile to me, please try to make it selfcontained for
someone who mostly specializes in operator algebras and Haag/Kaster aka “local observables” QFT :-)
Some minor questions/ remarks on the draft of the preface:
- “some folklore called the path integral”: Calling the path integral folklore could result
in some critisim/hostility from some parts of the physics community. I think it would be wise to refomulate
that passage along the line that “the path integral is an example of a highly useful heuristic concept that defies attempts to formulate a mathematical explanation”.
- We don’t know “What is a 2d conformal field theory?” I’m satisfied with the explanation of e.g. Schottenloher: “A Mathematical Introduction to Conformal Field Theory” (2ed.).
It’s probably a bit off topic, but would you care to explain what’s amiss with that?
- about AQFT you write: “nobody should trust an axiom system that hasn’t proven its worth yet by providing some useful theorems and describing some nontrivial examples of interest.”
With nontrivial examples you probably mean interacting theories in 4dim? That’s Ok with me, but I think the PCT and spin statistics theorems one can prove
(both in the Wightman and in the Haag/Kastler approach, as far as I know) are interesting enough to count as useful theorems, don’t they?

Good luck with this project, I’m looking forward to it!

Posted by: Tim vB on October 26, 2009 10:41 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Thanks for your comments!

Calling the path integral folklore could result in some critisim/hostility from some parts of the physics community.

I suppose the whole book could result in such. But that line about folklore is meant to be a bit amplified, I wouldn’t like to water it down too much. But now I changed it at least to

without much more of a structural guidance than some folklore called the path integral, however useful that has proven to be.

You write:

I’m satisfied with the explanation [of conformal field theory] of e.g. Schottenloher: “A Mathematical Introduction to Conformal Field Theory”, but would you care to explain what’s amiss with that?

Right, this deserves more detailed discussion than maybe should go in a preface, but at least it should be indicated. So I added the following paragraph

Most of the literature on 2d conformal field theory describes just what is called chiral conformal field theory formalized in terms of vertex operator algebras or local conformal nets. But this only describes the holomorphic and low-genus aspect of conformal field theory and is just one half of the data required for a full CFT, the remaining piece being the full solution of the sewing constraints that makes the theory well defining on all genera.

Next you write:

With nontrivial examples you probably mean interacting theories in 4dim? That’s Ok with me, but I think the PCT and spin statistics theorems one can prove […] are interesting enough to count as useful theorems, don’t they?

Yes, these theorems are what I have in mind, among other things, with the paranthetical remark

– apart from a few isolated exceptions –

Maybe I should name them explicitly.

But notice that the next sentence says

And it is precisely this that is changing now.

I mean this both for the Schrödinger picture (FQFT) as well as for the Heisenberg picture (AQFT, factorization algebras). So far the preface just gives the details for what I regard as some major advancements on the FQFT side of life. But below that paragraph is meant to come a paragraph starting with

On the AQFT/factorization algebra side this involves

I have yet to write that. I am thinking here in particular of mentioning progress of connecting these formalisms to standard perturbative QFT and renormalization theory. There has been progress here both in Haag-Kastler AQFT proper as well as from the factorization algebra perspctive (okay, I break down and admit that I am thinking of stuff as from page 12 here on).

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 11:56 AM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Hello Urs,
thanks for the link, I wasn’t aware of this.
Why do you expect that the book will be so provocative? I cannot imagine any topic that would be less controversial :-)

Posted by: Tim vB on October 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Urs, who is the intended reader of this book? You will be covering a very wide range of mathematical disciplines, so do you expect to appeal to many different readers with varying focused interests, or to a less specialized group of readers with broad interests in everything? More to the point, exactly what qualifications are required of the reader? How large do you think your audience is? It might even be helpful to have the names of a couple of people you know in your mind as you pull this book together. Just a thought.

Posted by: Charlie C on October 26, 2009 4:07 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Urs, who is the intended reader of this book?

I tried to say this in the proposed Call-for-Papers, but maybe I need to work it out better:

I am thinking that there is the need for cross-communication between mathematically and theoretic-physically inolved people here:

I know that a bunch of mathematicians working on these issues whose daily work makes them throw around the terms “quantum field theory”, “string motivated” etc. would like to have a better idea about how what they are doing is a puzzle piece of a grand phyics tale.

On the other side, many theoretical-physicist want to or maybe ought-to-want-to see clearer on the magnificent advances on the formalization front recently.

I would enjoy to see a book that bridges this gap.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on October 26, 2009 4:47 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Would this include whether Noether’s theorem applies to exceptional groups ?

Posted by: joel rice on October 26, 2009 5:15 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

Noether’s theorem in the form

symmetries conservation laws

works for any Lie group.

Posted by: Eugene Lerman on October 26, 2009 7:23 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

The main problem with a “call for papers” is that for most of us, mere mortals in science, most career reviewing procedures put very little weight on proceedings, chapters in books and alike, and prefer to count only the publications in recognized journals. I had already few publications published in a wrong place from that point of view, and probably would not contribute to a project like this, unless it is possibly about making a very short paper on something what is really easy and quick for me to write. I think that many other people may have the same concern.

Posted by: Zoran Skoda on October 28, 2009 9:32 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

It probably depends on the stage in one’s career. I publish a lot in edited volumes because they don’t usually mind if you mix a lot of exposition with the new stuff, which is what I like to do. Most journals don’t seem to want that. Edited volumes and conference proceedings count for less when it comes to promotions — but not nothing, here at the University of California. If I were feeling under pressure of some sort — looking for a job, or feeling poor — I might avoid them. Luckily I’m not.

Conference proceedings used to be harder to find than journals, since fewer libraries buy them. But luckily the arXiv cured that.

Posted by: John Baez on October 29, 2009 9:54 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

Re: Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Field and Perturbative String Theory

With some other tasks out of the way I have now found the time to further expand on that annotated outline of the intended topics of the book.

Details are at the following anchor points

(I) Cobordism representations

(II) Factorization algebras

(III) Constructions from backgrounds

We are now entering the process of contacting potential authors for this project.

Posted by: Urs Schreiber on November 5, 2009 1:57 PM | Permalink | Reply to this

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