Computer Science and Physics
Posted by David Corfield
I recently came across Samson Abramsky’s What are the fundamental structures of concurrency? We still don’t know!. Abramsky forsees greater potential for computer science in interactions with physics rather than biology.
…while biological modelling will surely make new demands on process calculi,
and hence lead to new developments …, I don’t believe
it is likely to lead to foundational advances for the issues we are discussing. Biology’s
foundational and conceptual structures are, if anything, much more plastic than those of Computer Science - for which, of course, it compensates by the exuberant richness and the sheer concrete reality of the existence proofs which it studies.
There is, perhaps, more prospect for guidance in finding fundamental notions of process,
information flow, etc. from the rapidly developing interface between Computer Science and
Physics, which has grown up around quantum informatics. (p. 3)
A good choice then by John for the two halves of his Quantum gravity seminar.
…the diagrammatics of our categories connect with categorical approaches to the Jones polynomial and other topological invariants, which in turn are strongly connected to quantum groups and topological quantum field theories. (p. 4 n1)
Abramsky’s paper Temperley-Lieb Algebra: From Knot Theory to Logic and Computation via Quantum Mechanics tells us more.
So will those long awaited categorified quantum groups be useful to computer science too?
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Two great looking papers! I thought I’d start with the 5 page one. It’s always nice to see the problem of concurrency let out from under the carpet from time to time, especially when diamond phrases like
there is no single compelling notion […] of a ‘Church’s thesis for concurrency’
get rolled out too! I’ve never felt too comfortable with the phrase “physical Church/Turing thesis” and this strikes me like it could well be the main reason why
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Dear David Corfield,
Interesting post. I’ve been thinking about concurrency and physics in a broad sense during the past few months. Is it possible that nature is fundamentally concurrent?
Thanks,
Christine
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So will those long awaited categorified quantum groups be useful to computer science too?
I think the answer is, “Yes, of course.” From a certain point of view category theory is nothing but[*] ordinary mathematics properly modularized, and thanks to the Curry-Howard correspondence every modularity mechanism in mathematics gives rise to one in programming languages, and vice versa.
[*] “nothing but” – a tremendous bald-faced lie, like all useful philosophical perspectives.
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I stopped doing this for a living a long time ago but… I think Samson is coming to this story rather late. Certainly when I talked to Carl Adam Petri at the GmD in 1990 (he was about to retire, I was on my first postdoc) he was explicitly concerned with finding the right mathematics to describe concurrency in the sense of physical systems. That’s partly why my first collection of papers was entitled “3 papers on classical concurrency theory” – because I was trying to find the right way to reason about the kind of concurrency that makes sense in a Newtonian world. Partly spurred by Vaughan Pratt’s poset models, Robin Knight and I subsequently proved a neat result about which causal orders could be fully and faithfully embedded in Minkowski space of arbitrary dimension.
The point of this is not to belatedly publicise long dead papers, but rather to emphasise that some people in computer science have been interested in using concurrency theory to describe aspects of purely physical systems for a long time: it goes back at least as far as Petri’s original work.
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Dear Allan and Christine
I’m enthusiastic with the possibility of seeing a new field, “concurrent physics”,
emerging. As you mention, this idea is probably latent for some time.
I guess what I was trying to say in my original post was that Carl Adam Petri thought he was doing that already… Perhaps we have better tools now - and I agree with Allan that paradigms like the CHAM are interesting - but the basic problem remains that the paradigm of concurrency is too primitive do deal with ongoing interactions. Process calculi for instance allow instantaneous, unitary interactions. But we could not even begin to write down the interactions involved in two body Newtonian gravity in any concurrency theory I know of. It’s not that I am deeply enamoured of continuous mathematics in general or field theory in particular, but it does do that job rather well. What might perhaps be interesting is to think what the logic of interaction in that kind of setting is…
Kind regards
David.
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I have added a reply to David Murphy’s original post to this thread.
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Good day, dear researchers. :)
Are you thinking about higher quantum computers (string computers) or may be you are thinking about thinking about them at least?
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For those who want a gentler introduction to many of Abramsky’s interests, I recommend his chapter in this Handbook.
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Two great looking papers! I thought I’d start with the 5 page one. It’s always nice to see the problem of concurrency let out from under the carpet from time to time, especially when diamond phrases like
get rolled out too! I’ve never felt too comfortable with the phrase “physical Church/Turing thesis” and this strikes me like it could well be the main reason why