Why does 2-group theory miss surface holonomies with nonvanishing B+F?
Posted by urs
Recall that there are (at least) three roads to well-defined surface holonomies in loop space formalism, but apparently only one road in 2-group theory, namely that called .
What happens to the other two?
I believe the answer is: One of them is in some sense a special case of the abelian theory and hence not strictly missed. But the other one is missed by 2-group theory because of its inherently finite, non-differential, nature. It could be incorporated if we allowed ‘lattice artifacts’ in 2-group theory that vanish in a ‘continuum limit’ where elementary morphisms become infitesimal, which amounts to considering some sort of ‘weak’ 2-group in some sense.
I think so for the following reason:
Consider a ‘tesselation’ of a surface where ‘plaquettes’ are labeled by group elements and edges are labeled by group elements as in hep-th/0206130 and hep-th/0309173.
For notational simplicity assume that both labels take values in the same group.
We want to multiply all the labels together to obtain the full surface holonomy. But the ordering of these will matter. For labels sitting next to each other vertically they can be just multiplied like beads on a string using the geometrically induced order.
Labels horizontally next to each other have to be inserted into this string of beads. In order to move them around we need some parallel transport, namely that provided by the group elements of the edge labels. Parallel transporting some surface label from target to source of some edge gives .
But this zipper must have the special properties that it does not matter where beads are inserted, otherwise the surface holonomy would be ill-defined.
Therefore consider a plaquette with an edge going along its upper and an edge along its lower boundary and with a surface element to its right (where I use labels as on p. 5 of hep-th/0206130).
Either we move to the upper boundary of by parralel transporting it with , or to its lower boundary by using . The resulting string of beads must be the same in both cases, which means that the crucial condition
(1)
must be satisfied.
Here I have used non-standard wording, because I think the zipper-process going on here is instructive, but it can be checked that this equation is equivalent to that found in 2-group literature saying that the order of horizontal and vertical composition must not matter.
So given the group labels of our graph and the above rule to multiply them all up, what one needs to do in order to obtain the most general well-defined surface holonomy is find all solutions of
One way to solve this equation is that used in 2-group theory, namely that obtained by choosing arbitrary edge labels and setting the surface labels equal to the edge-holonomy around the surface. This yields in the continuum.
Of course there is a much more trivial way to solve : If we choose arbitrary edge labels and let the surface labels take values generated by an abelian ideal of the group algebra, then surface labels may be commuted with everything (but not edge labels among themselves) and is easily seen to be satisfied. This is one of the cases used in hep-th/9710147.
In fact, the authors of that paper assume in addition the curvature of the edge labels to vanish, which is necessary to have a flat connection on loop space but not necessary in order to have a well-defined surface holonomy in this case.
So this case kind of belongs to the abelian theory, but it is maybe noteworthy that the ege labels need not be gauge equivalent to the trivial set of labels at all for this to give a well-defined surface holonomy. In this sense this does have some genuine non-abelian character and deserves to be mentioned as one interesting solution of .
What about the second condition considered in hep-th/9710147, that where the edge labels have vanishing loop holonomy and surface labels are ‘covariantly constant’ with respect to the edge labels?
This does solve , too, but only if we let the size of the surface elements tend to 0!
Namely in the covariantly constant case we can pick one reference plaquette on the surface and the label for any other surface element is defined to be the parallel transport of that reference label to the given position. The path of the parallel transport does not matter (in the limit of small lattice spacing) due to the assumption that loop holonomies vanish (that the 1-form connection is flat).
But then one can see (I don’t bother to spell the obvious but tiresome details out), that the right hand side of is essentially the same group-valued function as the left hand side, but translated by one lattice unit. In other words, left and right hand side differ by something proportional to our lattice spacing.
This means that in the continuum limit this does give a well defined surface holonomy (as we already know from the loop space point of view), but it also means that strict 2-group theory does not see this possibility to get such a unique holonomy for .
I think that alone is (unless I screwed up somewhere) an interesting fact. But it also makes me speculate:
The small translation between the left and the right hand side of just discussed can, due to the covariant constancy of the surface labels, also be interpreted as a short parallel transport obtained by adjoining the group element of the edge translating between the two nearby positions of the left and the right hand side.
This means that both sides of this equation are equal up to isomorphism in this sense, doesn’t it?
Possibly I am wrong, being a category-theory layman, but this sounds like some ‘weak’ notion of category or something like that.
Any ideas?
Posted at August 24, 2004 5:14 PM UTC
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Re: Why does 2-group theory miss surface holonomies with nonvanishing B+F?
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Here is my reply:
____________________________
Many thanks for your reply!
You (John Baez) wrote:
When we think about connections in this context, we see the natural equation is not
(1)
(which makes no sense!) but instead
(2)
where is a -valued 2-form and is an -valued 2-form.
We can then consider various special cases.
At one extreme we can have trivial and abelian; then the above equation is vacuous. This is what happens in 2-form
electromagnetism.
At another extreme we can have and the identity; then you get . That’s the case you seem to like best.
True, I like that best at the moment, because it seems to me that a very
interesting class of physical applications corresponds to .
But I do understand that 2-group theory covers the more general case where . I think pretty much everything I wrote so far with in mind
directly translates to this more general case when you think of all my s as
s. But I will make that more precise and explicit in the future.
Meanwhile, since I have the feeling that I didn’t express myself well
enough, let me try to rephrase the question that I am currently concerned with:
Alvarez, Ferreira & Sánchez-Guillén in hep-th/9710147 found two classes of consistent surface holonomies which happen to have but .
(I am pretty sure that their construction can be straightforwardly generalized
to in which case it would give consistent surface holonomy for . But the case with alone already raises the following questions.)
As far as I can see, there are only two possible reactions to this result:
1) It contains a flaw and 2-group theory is right that only gives
well defined surface holonomy.
2) It is correct. Then there must be a reason why 2-group theory cannot
obtain these surface holonomies with nonvanishing.
I argued that the latter is the case (namely that there are more solutions
to the 2-associativity condition than just those with ), but if I am
wrong about that please let me know where I went astray.
I would like to know
a) if you think there is a 3rd alternative to 1) and 2) above (maybe that
somehow Alvarez, Ferreira & Sánchez-Guillén are secretly speaking about a different notion of surface holonomy than 2-group theory does or something like that)
b) or else, if you think that their result is flawed, what you think the mistake is
c) or finally, if you think their result is correct, how you see it fit together with the results of 2-group theory.
But there are lots of intermediate cases. Maybe you want some concrete examples? I can manufacture examples, but not very
interesting ones if and are required to be compact Lie groups, because the Lie algebra of these is always semisimple + abelian, and the options for homomorphisms dt are severely limited.
I am not sure that examples where is nontrivial are of help for answering
the question that I am concerned with. But maybe that’s precisely my
problem.
In any case, thanks for your help!
Re: Why does 2-group theory miss surface holonomies with nonvanishing B+F?
That’s a lot of comments! :-) I can’t get around to comment on all the issues you raised – it’s almost time for me to go home now … I’ll just clarify a couple of things related to what I said in my earlier comment.
One is that an Abelian ideal is not necessarily the center. It’s an invariant subalgebra which is Abelian, but it need not commute with the rest of the algebra. See eq.3.30 on p.17 of the Alvarez paper.
This subtlety may not be important, but I would like to keep it in mind, because I don’t quite see if you can still define a surface holonomy if A is not flat in this more general case.
In the special case where the Abelian ideal also commutes with the rest of the algebra, you can have a non-flat A which lives in the subalgebra, but in order to have a consistent surface holonomy you should have F vanishing on the rest of the algebra, I think.
This is because there is no canonical surface ordering prescription, so if you have a non-zero non-Abelian F (and Abelian everything else), you will get group elements for every little surface element when you break up the big surface, and there is no standard way of ordering those little pieces.
This is basically my point. Whichever way you want to construct a surface holonomy, it has to be independent of ordering. The condition B+F = 0 ensures that when both B and F are in non-Abelian algebras. Yes, you should write t(B), which ensures that the things being added are in the same space. But if you have an alternative prescription, the `total’ surface holonomy for each infinitesimal surface must still be either Abelian or identity.
If you want to avoid _that_, you need an alternative prescription for ordering surfaces … actually even before that I would like to know the meaning of surface holonomy, and what sort of objects it acts on. Like path holonomy mixes states of particles, which are vectors in a rep. of that group. I suppose a non-Abelian string state ought to be a rep. of a 2-group?
Lattice-expansion of 2-associativity
I think I am beginning to see how the exchange law or 2-associativity condition (as I like to call it) of 2-group theory is equivalent to the condition of flatness of the corresponding connection on loop space. I indeed begin to believe both these conditions express precisely the same fact.
By 2-associativity I mean the well-known condition
(1)
that the order of horizontal products and vertical products is irrelevant. Using for notational simplicity and the above is first of all equivalent to (as I have discussed before)
(2)
where all products are group products. Now this condition should be expanded in the small lattice spacing. For higher order this is straightforward but quite tedious. That’s why I would like to share the lowest order result here and discuss how it correctly gives the first terms of the corresponding condtition of loop space flatness.
I’ll follow the notation of section 3.3 of
F. Girelli & H. Pfeiffer: Higher gauge theory - differential versus integral formulation (2004)
and in particular their figure 1. In the little square depicted there you have to identify the surface label with from above, the lower right edge with and the upper left edge with . At the upper right corner you have to imagine one further square sitting whose surface is labeled by .
Now make an expansion of the above consistency condition
(3)
following the general method of section 3.3 of Girelli&Pfeiffer’s paper. One finds
(4)
and of course
(5)
Using this one can convince oneself that the first few orders of the lattice spacing in the expansion of
(6)
coincide with the terms of a respective expansion in the flatness condition on the loop space connection
(7)
Namely, as has been noted by Orlando Alvarez a while ago in a private memo, this flatness condition is equivalent to
(8)
(where etc.)
But getting the higher order terms seems like a lot of work.
Does anyone see how to speed up this calculation?
Re: Why does 2-group theory miss surface holonomies with nonvanishing B+F?
The discussion is taking place at sci.physics.research.
John Baez’ comment can be found either in your newsreader or in the PhysicsForums archive of s.p.r. articles.
With one day delay the whole thing is best followed in Google Groups.
Here is my reply:
____________________________
Many thanks for your reply!
You (John Baez) wrote:
True, I like that best at the moment, because it seems to me that a very interesting class of physical applications corresponds to .
But I do understand that 2-group theory covers the more general case where . I think pretty much everything I wrote so far with in mind directly translates to this more general case when you think of all my s as s. But I will make that more precise and explicit in the future.
Meanwhile, since I have the feeling that I didn’t express myself well enough, let me try to rephrase the question that I am currently concerned with:
Alvarez, Ferreira & Sánchez-Guillén in hep-th/9710147 found two classes of consistent surface holonomies which happen to have but . (I am pretty sure that their construction can be straightforwardly generalized to in which case it would give consistent surface holonomy for . But the case with alone already raises the following questions.)
As far as I can see, there are only two possible reactions to this result:
1) It contains a flaw and 2-group theory is right that only gives well defined surface holonomy.
2) It is correct. Then there must be a reason why 2-group theory cannot obtain these surface holonomies with nonvanishing.
I argued that the latter is the case (namely that there are more solutions to the 2-associativity condition than just those with ), but if I am wrong about that please let me know where I went astray.
I would like to know
a) if you think there is a 3rd alternative to 1) and 2) above (maybe that somehow Alvarez, Ferreira & Sánchez-Guillén are secretly speaking about a different notion of surface holonomy than 2-group theory does or something like that)
b) or else, if you think that their result is flawed, what you think the mistake is
c) or finally, if you think their result is correct, how you see it fit together with the results of 2-group theory.
I am not sure that examples where is nontrivial are of help for answering the question that I am concerned with. But maybe that’s precisely my problem.
In any case, thanks for your help!